Our response to the IPN team:
Hello,
We apologize for the late reply, but we had to discuss carefully our answer.
First of all, we think you are confused about what our project really is. We want to make bacteria to modify the extracellular nickel concentration in response to an external signal (AHL in this case), and of course, be able to predict to what extent the concentration of the input signal will affect the amount of nickel in the medium. To achieve this, it is true we have to synchronize our cell population at the beginning. This is easy to do and doesn't represent any technical problems.
We are very conscious of the facts you tell us, first: we know the half-life of the lactones is relatively long (24 hrs as you say). That's why we are including AiiA under a constitutive promoter in our model, which degrades AHL very efficiently. This will ensure AHL does not saturate the medium. Second, we know AiiA does not diffuse freely through the cell membrane. However, we don't need that to happen, as each cell will degrade its own AHL (yes, we are assuming that all AHL will enter a cell within a window of time).
In other words, we do not need to synchronize the bacterial population more than in the first step. We are considering that some cells may respond earlier than others. However, we are assuming that, as we are not changing the physical nor chemical conditions, the proportion of cells responding "earlier" will remain constant, thus allowing us to draw some conclusions of the behaviour of the population as a whole. We hope you see why the synchrony is no longer important for our project.
To summarize what we plan to do, AHL will enter the cell and form a dimer with LuxR (which is under a constitutive promoter, so AHL is the only limiting step). This will start the transcription of cI*, which will repress the expression of RcnA. RcnA is the nickel efflux pump, and thus we are aiming to predict the amount of AHL necessary to get the desired extracellular nickel concentration.
We are doing small moves. At first, we only want to make one successful assay. We hope that in the near future we will be able to use the response time of the system to generate a succession of desired nickel concentrations, thus generating a song.
We hope this letter answers your questions,
LCG-UNAM-Mexico Team
Cuernavaca, Morelos
AHL: LuxR
Reaction 3
Conflict: k3 (ON) <k3 (OFF)?
Reference: Goryachev et al. (2006)
The references they use where they obtained parameters were not specific for this parameters (?) In fact, one mentions the rate of RNA polymerase in HUMAN!
-> Check whether the article mentions how they got the parameter, or search through the references.
They do explain why in the model, the k3 (ON) is in principle "very small":
<<common to all models considered here, is that the stability of the state "off" defined by the constitutive Transcription levels of I and R comes at a price of high value for the critical self Extracellular concentration.>>
And it seems that this explains a bit the criteria that determined the parameters used, although it does not appear in references such as:
<<For each layout we attempted to identify a set of parameters that optimize the functional fitness of the network. The search in the parameter space is constrained by requesting that the kinetic parameters must remain in the biologically realistic range and the resulting network should demonstrate the behavior compatible with our present understanding of the phenomenon quorum sensing.>>
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